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Home My WebLink About1988-06-06 Council MinutesAGENDA SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH. 1988 1 Read Letter of Notice which was hand delivered to all councillors regarding the date, time and place for holidng this special meeting of Council 2 Discussion of Weather Modification Report - May 27th, 1988 3 Discussion of Road Tour Minutes from Road Tour held May 30th, 1988 4. Adjournment NOTE ALL COUNCILLORS HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE FOR HOLDING THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL AND ONLY THE ABOVE ITEMS MAY BE DISCUSSED ALL COUNCILLORS DO NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT FOR THE MEETING, HOWEVER THERE MUST BE A QUORUM OF AT LEAST 4 COUNCILLORS IN ORDER TO HOLD A PROPERLY CONSITITUTED MEETING. IF ALL SEVEN COUNCILLORS ARE PRESENT AND A MOTION IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS MAY BE DISCUSSED, BUT I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY REEVE HOFF NOT TO PUT ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. J C JEFFERY, MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATOR SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH. 1988 A special meeting of the Council of the M D of Kneehill # 48 was held June 6th, 1988 commencing at 9 06 A M The following were present for the meeting J Finlay Code Otto Hoff (Reeve) Robert E. Boake Richard A Marz Harold Mueller Bruce Hastie Lawrence Hogg Division 1 Division 2 Division 3 Division 4 Division 5 Division 6 Division 7 John C Jeffery, Municipal Administrator Herman P Martens, Accountant was present and recorded the minutes The following people were present for the meeting Art Becker Acme Ed Sept Three Hills Bill Kilgour Three Hills Darcy Penner Acme John Schmidt Carbon Bob Elliott Carbon Allan Becker Acme Morris Charlton Didsbury Robert U Penner Swalwell Grant McIntosh Carbon Bob Penner Swalwell Lloyd Penner Acme Norman R Thurn Beiseker Gilbert Berdahl Hesketh Herman Penner Three Hills Jake Klassen Linden Sam Stahl Torrington Colony Dave Stahl Torrington Colony Paul Stahl Torrington Colony Ed Bauer Torrington Ben P Bauer Torrington A W Bauer Torrington John Lehmann Trochu Lloyd Weigum Trochu ALTA WEATHER MODIFICATION PROGRAM Mr Jeffery read the Letter of Notice which was hand del i vered to all councillors regarding the date, time and place for holding this special meeting of Council. The two items to be discussed today are The Weather Modification Report - May 27th 1988 and Discussion of Road Tour Minutes from Road Tour held May 30th, 1988 Mr Jeffery read the Weather Modification Report of May 27th. Delegate presentations Mr Norman Thurn Stated it was time to establish credibility. He has received various phone calls, each caller holding their own opinion of what has to be done Do we endorse ground generators or air seeding? Do we endorse Altec Associates, Intera Technology or Okotoks Weather Modification? He asked that we clarify what we are after, then turn it out to bid, letting common sense be our guide m'%, 1 SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH. 1988 Mr Bill Kilgour Stated taxes are too high and it is time costs were The government has spent millions on cloud seeding out The M D should not follow their example If M D should reduce its budget $50,000 00 instead of by $50,000.00. he and anything the increasing it Mr Bob Penner Stated this council should follow the directive received by the previous council. That plebiscite indicated 452 rate payers voted against and 278 voted for weather modification According to a statement made on T V by Mr Bishop it would take six weeks to get the weather modification program going. Mr. Penner stated that a progam started that late would be of little value Mr Penner also felt with at least three companies in the weather modification business we would tender this out to get the best system for our money, which would push the startup date even later in fall. Mr Allan Becker Wanted things to be fair and equitable. He felt that the council should represent the wishes of the people not any particular interest group or individual He had discussions this week with Premier Getty and mentioned weather modification to him The council should take direction from the previous plebiscite taken on this weather modification question Mr Art Bauer Stated hail sup ression has been tried in the past and did not work There is no proof that the system works so he felt Council should take the money they plan to spend on the project and use it in a program similar to Alberta Hail and Crop Insurance to help the drought stricken farmers Mr. Grant McIntosh Objected to the words "Ground Generators" as being too restrictive and felt that it would eliminate some other viable options to cloud seeding. Mr Gilbert BerdahI Noted we cannot predict the weather and have had no conclusive results of the success of the weather modification program working in the past Wonder why the councillors are considering an additional $50,000 00 over expenditure when there was a $400,000 00 deficit from the last year and also wondered how the Council is planning to make up this short -fall? Mr Otto Hoff thanked the delegatonn for their imput Mr Richard Marz mentioned the method of cloud seeding was not the issue, but the whole program of weather modification He had done a straw vote of weather modification at some of the annual meetings in the past and the feelings were usually negative. He also felt the Provincial Government should be the one promoting and funding a program of this magnitude and cost Mr. Bruce Hastie stated according to the Penhold report cloud seeding to prevent hail actually reduced rain fall 2 SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH. 1988 Mr Finlay Code cited minutes of the January 26/88 meeting, the February 23/88 meeting and the May 24/88 meeting all of which dealt with the subject of weather modification and delegations discussing same with Council These show the subject has been discussed and finally culminated in a trip by Mr. John Jeffery and Mr Otto Hoff to Edmonton to speak to the Provincial Government Officials involved Mr Otto Hoff reported as a result of that meeting with the Province and adjacent municipalities a proposal was arrived at. He also stated the M.D of Kneehill and other areas involved had asked for full government funding but only a possible cost share agreement could be arrived at. Mr. John Jeffery read a letter from our solicitor outlining the proper procedure for implementing a weather modification program Mr Harold Mueller said that he had done a survey of most of his area and 40% were in favour of weather modification Mr Richard Marz said he had done a phone survey and found that the people he talked to were 3 to 1 against weather modification and few had changed their minds since the plebiscite held a number of years ago Mr. Otto Hoff noted he had talked to people in his area and they were split about half and half on the subject of cloud seeding Mr Lawrence Hogg said his area appeared to be split as well and he wondered why cloud seeding had not been tried as a forest fire fighting tool Mr. Hogg also wondered if we claimed to be able to control the weather would we be liable for lawsuits from people that might be adversely affected by such weather modification Mr Harold Mueller suggested the money the Provincial Government is putting into water storage and well drilling could be diverted to this rain making program Council recessed at 10 30 A M Council reconvened at 10 45 A M Mr Bruce Hastie moved Council go in camera for 10 minutes IN CAMERA CARRIED SESSION Mr. Boake moved Council meeting do now continue the in camera session having been completed COUNCIL CARRIED MELTING Mr Finlay Code moved the Provincial Government be advised The RECONVENE M.D. of Kneehill #48 would not be interested in participating in MOTION the Weather Modification Program due to the lateness of the RE. season and due to the expense of the cost sharing basis outlined REFUSAL TO in their proposal Ieb�-r PARTICIPATE CARRIED Scn t IN WEATHER MODIFICATION The delegation and Mr. John Jeffery left the meeting at 11 18 PROGRAM A M. DELEGATION D & J C J OUT 3 SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH, 1988 It was noted all councillors together with Oris Rodger, Ken Thompson and J C Jeffery went on a road tour on Monday, May 30th, 1988, to review the small crew program for 1988 The following projects are already approved Length Approx Time 1 Tindal Project - South of 30- 34 -23 -4 0.25 mile 2 weeks 2. Barnes Project - SSW 13- 34 -24 -4 0 10 mile 3 days 3 Crossroads Proj - W15 & 22 in 34 -25 -4 1 50 mile 3 weeks Mr Bruce Hastie moved the small crew finish the three jobs outlined above, and the balance of the 1988 small crew program be as follows DIVISION 6 1 Gauthier Project South of 25- 34 -25 -4 Road Widening & Ditch Cleaning DIVISION 7 2 Moran Project - South of 30- 34 -24 -4 DIVISION 3 3. Steiger North - West of 6 & 7- 30 -25 -4 DIVISION 4 4. Albrecht Project - South of 25- 32 -25 -4 Cut knolls off and cover 3 culverts 1 00 mile 2 weeks 1.00 mile 3 weeks 1 20 miles 3 weeks 1 00 mile 1 week DIVISION 5 5 J. Davidson Project - South of 1- 31 -22 -4 1 00 mile 3 weeks DIVISION 1 6 Ted Andrews Project - Through 14- 29 -21 -4 A.G.T. cable involved 0 80 mile 3 weeks DIVISION 2 These projects are to be done in the fall 7 Seward Project NNW 19- 28 -23 -4 Two power poles to reset 0 25 mile 1 week 8. McAfee Project - South of 26- 28 -24 -4 1 00 mile 2 weeks DIVISION 4 This is to be the last project on the 1988 small crew program 9 Keivers Project - South of 29 & 30 in 31 -25 -4 and South of 25- 31 -26 -4 Blade Grade - Small Crew Assist Involves Gas Lines and A G T lines 2 80 miles 5 weeks ---- - - - - -- - - - - - -- TOTAL 11.90 miles 31 weeks with the rotation of the projects to be Division #6 Division #7, Divison #3 and the remainder of the program's rotation is to be established by Mr Rodger and Mr. Thompson on condition the last project on the program is to be the Keivers Lake Project in Division #4 CARRIED The following projects are to be considered for inclusion in the 1989 small crew projects SR 587 Project - South of 17- 34 -25 -4 Backslope hills SR 587 Project - South of 15 & 14 in 34 -25 -4 Backslope hills Klamski Project - WSW 15- 28 -20 -4 Should be engineered 4 SMALL CREW REVIEW PROJECTS DURING 89 ROAD PROGRAM DISCUSSIOP SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL JUNE 6TH. 1988 Mr. Bruce Hastie moved these additional items be discussed at the meeting today • 1 R A Marz fence problem 2. Request 2 inch lift on Secondary #805 3. Bumper Project 6- 23 -32 -23 W4 4 Bumper Project 11- 35 -32 -23 W4 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ADDITION TO AGENDA Mr. Richard A Marz requested council look at correcting the MARZ fence problem on his property adjacent to Secondary #583 Nis FEN suggestion was he remove the existing fence, the M.D. build a ADJACENT A7ACJAC E PROBLEM berm and replace the fence with similar fencing material supplied �]I by him TO SR 583 Mr Richard A. Marz then moved he be excused from voting and discussing this matter because of his declared interest CARRIED Mr Richard A Marz left the room at 11 45 A M After discussion of this matter, Mr. Lawrence Hogg moved the berm be built by the small crew when Oris Rodger and Ken Thompson feel there is time to do the project, the existing fence be removed by Mr Marz, the M.D build the berm and replace the fence on condition Mr Marz supply the fencing material CARRIED Mr Richard A. Marz returned to the meeting 11 50 A.M. MARZ EXCUSED FROM DISCUSSION & VOTING • =2 OF •a PROBLEM FENCE) MARZ BACK TO MEETING Mr. Robert Boake moved the request to have the Province put a,.2 -,SR 805 inch lift on SR 805 be tabled to the next regular council b�� m e e t i n g i G RE- PAVING CARRIED REQUEST Mr Lawrence Hogg moved approval be given to Bumper Development Ltd , to up -grade the following roads, subject to conditions as BUMPER outlined DEV APPROVAL 1. Bumper Project - 6- 23- 32 -23 -4 - 0 8 mile Conditions FOR ROAD Road may be constructed with motor grader CONSTRUCTION The M D divisional grader may assist with the road construction if the operator has time TWO LOCATIONS The M D will supply culverts The road must have a 28 foot top. The M.D will supply screenings from the Garson Pit for the road surfacing 2 Bumper Project - 11- 35- 32 -23 -4 - 0 5 mile Conditions S n L Bumper to blade grade project with their graders. -` The road must have a 28 foot top. The M.D will supply culverts and extensions The M D will supply screenings from the Garson Pit for the road surfacing. CARRIED ADJOURN Mr J Finlay Code moved this meeting do now adjourn Time 12 15 P.M. CARRIED - -- - - - - - - - - - - - Z11 i trator - - -- Reeve Munifcild mi 5 PROPOSED SMALL CREW PROGRAM FOR 1988 - ROAD TOUR All councillors together with Oris Rodger, Ken Thompson and J C. Jeffery went on a road tour on Monday, May 30th, 1988, to review the small crew program for 1988 The following are approved projects Division 6 Length Approx Time 1 - Tindal Project - South of 30- 34 -23 -4 1/4 mile 2 weeks 2 - Barnes Project - SSW 13- 34 -24 -4 1 /10 mile 3 days Division 7 3 - Crossroads Project - W15 & 22 in 34- 25-4 1 112 mile 3 weeks The following are proposed projects DIVISION 5 - J Davidson Project - South of 1- 31 -22 -4 1 mile 3 weeks DIVISION 1 - Ted Andrews Project - Thur 14- 29 -21 -4 A G T cable involved 8/10 mile 3 weeks - Klamski Project - WSW 15- 28 -20 -4 Should be engineered 112 NO ESTIMATE DIVISION 2 - Seward Project NNW 19- 28 -23 -4 Two power poles to reset- 1/4 mile 1 week - McAfee Project - South of 26- 28 -24 -4 1 mile 2 weeks DIVISION 3 - Steiger North Project - West of 6 & Pt. 7- 30 -25 -4 1 2/10 miles 3 weeks DIVISION 4 - Keivers Project - South of 29 & 30 in 31 -25 -4 and South of 25- 31 -26 -4 Blade Grade - Small Crew Assist Involves Gas Lines and A G. T. lines 2 8/10 miles 5 weeks - Albrecht Project - South of 25- 32 -25 -4 Cut knolls off and cover 3 culverts 1 mile 1 week DIVISION 6 - SR 587 Project - South of 17- 34 -25 -4 Back Slope hills 1 mile 3 weeks - SR 587 Project - South of 15 & 14 in 34 -25 -4 Backslope hills - 1 week DIVISION 7 - Moran Project - South of 30- 34 -24 -4 1 mile 3 weeks TOTAL 12.4 miles 153 days (approximately 31 weeks) Proposed projects would entail working until December 30th, 1988, if estimated times are correct. If you wish to proceed with complete program you should advise us what order you wish to complete the projects as it cannot be completed in 1988 as presented It should also be noted there is no estimate of time given for the Klamaski Project in Division 1 Other queries put forth during road tour 1 R A Marz - fence problem - what is the solution? 2. Should we be requesting Province to put 2 inch lift on SR 805 Requests were received from Bumper Development to up -grade the following roads 3. Bumper Project - 6- 23- 32 -23 -4 - 8/10 of a mile - Require Motion Suggestion Joint Grader Project if ours is available We supply culverts - road should have a 28 foot top Screenings supplied by M D from Garson Pit - north of the pipe 11ne. ® 4 Bumper Project - 11- 35- 32 -23 -4 - 112 mile - Require Motion Suggestion - Allow Bumper to blade grade Project with their graders - Need 28 foot top - M D supply culverts and extensions - M D supply screenings - Garson Pit North of Pipeline •