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M D OF KNEEHILL #48
February 16th, 1982
Present M D of Kneehill #48
G A Berdahl, Otto Hoff, R E Boake, R A Maerz, T A Ferguson, Bruce Hastie
R G Campbell, J C Jeffery,Jean Wilkinson, Alex Cunningham
Town of Three Hills- Chet Davidson, Ken Wright, Rod Dormer, Don Long, and Bob Jenkins
Town of Trochu- Mrs. Jean Ashcroft, Eugene Tepper, Al Gehring and Tim Peterson
Linden - Floyd Sillito and Will Jack
Acme - Mrs. Maureen Malaka, Administrator
Carbon George Appleyard, Walter Perman and Wendy Sowerby
Torrington - Ben Bauer and Irene Wilson
Hugn Bodmer, Regional Resources
Miss Joanne Bulanda, Representative from the Capital
Mr. Berdahl called the meeting to order and noted Mr Bill Isbister from Edmonton
former Deputy Minister of Municipal Affairs and now with the Provincal Planning
Board will be coming to the meeting today
® The following items were then briefly reviewed.
1 Fire - Mr Jenkins, Town of Three Hills indicated the Town has not yet come up with
costs for charges for fire calls and therefore was not prepared to discuss the matter,
- Mr Gehring, Town of Trochu indicated that the two areas - M D and Town
appear to be getting along okay and are now discussing the possibility of purchasing
ia new truck together rather than both areas buying new trucks If a new storage
building is required in future, hopefully the M D will be willing to share these costs
also
- M D indicated it is in favour in principle of purchasing a truck together
if details can be worked out satisfactorily
- Carbon - no comments
- Torrington - having a meeting tonight, so no comments now, but costs are
rather heavy for the village
• it - Acs - no rural fire truck and no rural members on department - along truck
will stand by for Linden if truck is called to a rural fire
2 Garbage Problems
Town of hills - very expensive Transfer site notadequate, require either a
third box or better pick up every day from the transfer boxes Town pick up seems to be
working okay , once a week for residential, and once for commercial and industrial with
an option for a 2nd pick up for commercial and industrial if required When transfer
boxes full, pit must be used and tnis costs extra money Costs are escalating so fast
may find it necessary to withdraw from the Solid Waste Management Association and operate
on our own Burning may have to be resumed some time in future to eliminate some costs
- Carbon - was there not to be a rubble pit at each transfer site?
Answer - Yes, but nothing further done about there
Carbon pick up is satisfactory so far
- Acme - not too many problems now since Linden has its own transfer site
Mr William Isbister, entered the meeting and Mr Berdahl welcomed him to the meeting
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There was further discussion about garbage disposal and Mr Isbister noted the
Pincher Creek system appears to be working well It was a government funded project
Town of Three Hills noted the transfer costs are becorvv,� much too high
Acme - Charge $6 75 per month to each household for garbage pick ups
Town of Three Hills - pays for same from general revenue
Carbon - charges for it along with water and sewer bills
M D of Kneehill noted scattering of garbage along the roads by the transfer truck
appears to be major problem
Trochu - has its own pit and garbage pick up and so far it is working well Charge
$3 00 per month per household and $6 00 per month for commercial
Torrington - delivers garbage to the Trochu pit once a week Feel should be allowed
to burn as Mt View is still burning garbage They pick up garbage once a week in
the village
There was discussion about which government department is responsible for garbage
- health department or environment and whether government regulations actually
pronibit burning
Torrington - feel a rubble pit should be established - one at each end of M D
and burning be allowed
Tnree Hills - advised costs for box break down are high - one box cost over $10,000
to repair, limited warranty if any on same Boxes are inadequate for the loads
Costs for repairs to machinery (cat ) is also high Requesting permission to purchase
a packer for the Drumheller Solid Waste Pit which will add to the escalating costs
Costs estimated for 1982 at $13 00 per capita and system started at abour $5.00 per
capita
Linden indicated the operation of the Drumheller site and the management of the
association appears to be a main problem as no one is willing to take responsibility
for maintenance of the boxes or for other problems which arise
Three Hills - may have to look at a joint operation between M D and urban centers
to operate our own syste m.
Torrington - no place to dispose of rubble - cement, etc , and they were advised
ratepayers could make use of the Three Hills rubble pit
3 Hazard Waste Disposal -
In answer to a question Mr Isbister noted the government (Environment) is still
looking for a suitable site for such a plant - and it likely will end up in the area
east of Edmonton
4 Pesticide Container Sites -
Three Hills - only problem with these is government does not pick them up
Acme - did not fence the sites as promised
Not a large problem
Mr Isbister indicated the municipalities should officially place their concerns
about garbage disposal before the government Perhaps have someone from Environment
come to a meeting to discuss the problems with the municipalities
5 Recreation - it was generally agreed not to discuss this matter today
6 Planning -
Town of Three Hills - Mr Wright reviewed the problems with the existing and
proposed regional plans and noted the commission is attempting to resolve the
problems created by the plans
Rockyview is attempting to make a revision to the 1971 plan to allow industrial
parks in the rural areas and the urban areas feel there must be some restriction
on industrial uses in the rural areas
The Village of Beiseker hosted a meeting and that meeting came up with a proposed
amendment to allow certain industrial uses within a restricted area around the
city of Calgary, but industrial uses would not be allowed outside of that area
in rural municipalities The Town of Three Hills officially support this
amendment
There is a difference between the M D of Kneehill and Rockyview and the pressures
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and needs are also much different
M D - indicated it is not trying to do the towns out of industry, but the M D wish
to have the right to allow industrial uses
Three Hills - Urban centers cannot support themselves on an urban tax base, it must
have industrial tax base to survive
Carbon - If we could have a good formula for tax sharing, planning would not matter
so much, we could then work together to get the industry In the area
After discussion of various items, such as costs for providing serviced land, annexation
of land to urban center, and industrial tax base, it was noted that realization of
tax dollars was the main concern for any area
Mr Long discussed the possibility of the M D having industrial parks set up
in areas of the M D., would these be set up by the M D or by a private
individual, and noted these developments could have an affect on the urban
centers
M D - The M D wish to have the right to decide where industrial uses should be
located in its own area, and the M D has indicated its willingness to negotiate
with urban centers about the location of industrial uses
Three Hills - The town must invest heavily to set up an industrial park site and
would oppose locaton of industrial uses in the rural area if these uses should
or could be located in the urban area The town
would
likely
not oppose low
density Industrial uses in
the rural areas
The Town
would lose off site
charges from industrial land if the Industries should locate in the rural area
Carbon - If a large industrial park was set up by #9 and #21, this could
affect all the small urban centers as well as Drumheller
Trochu- In the new amendment to the plan joint planning and point revenue sharing
is mentioned and perhaps this is the route we shoula be going
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Also of concern is the uses for industrial parks - would they accomodate farm
machinery dealerships, food processing plants, etc, which could be located in an
urban center
We must work together and make some joint sharing decisions
The concern of the urban municipalities is that if the right is put in the regional
plan future councils may push for this type of development in the rural area , even
through the present council does not feel it would do so
M D - indicated the use of the wort .Industrial park" Is misleading We anticipate
being able to allow small Industries, such as the fertilizer plant - but only one
such use on a quarter section
Government regulations are presently forcing elevators and seed plants to relocate
outside of the urban centers
The M D does not want banks, resturants, etc in the rural area, does not wish to
start up another hamlet area
The present urban-rural split in the voting on the commission is likely adding to
our problems We are supporting Rockyview in their fight with the commission with
the hope that we will get some concessions in the plan
Mr Wright indicated that the sub - division committee of the Planning Commission Is
presently made up of 11 members - 5 rural and 6 urban This committee does not
�lnow have to report back to the Commission Shortly the membership of this committee
will be reduced to 10 - 5 urban and 5 rural, so the commission is attempting to
resolve the voting problems also
Hugh Bodmer - Regional Resources - Has -there been any thought given to this area
joining the Palliser Regional Planning Commission - which area might be more
compatible to P,neehill area
Mr Isbister noted the Palliser Commission was set up for just that very reason
- to serve an area that was far removed from the City of Calgary Perhaps it Is
something that should be looked at Boundaries can be changed There Is a
opportunity to sit down and set up a long term boundary for urban centers, +look
at tax transfer arrangements such as is used by the Improvement District around
IIFort Mc1lIurray The Suncor Plant is located in the _f D , and the I D with a
simple formula of the number of plant employees plus their dependents x $60 00
determine the amount of money which should be raised each year to assist the
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urban centers with accomodating the needs of the plant employees in the urban centers
This money is raised by means of a surtax added to the I D tax ,levy
and this money is turned over by the I D to the various urban centers The urban
centers file with the I D an affidavit verifying the number of plant employees
living in their municipalities
With regard to industrial development in rural areas, the Minister
had requested the Provincial Planning Board to draw up guidelines for industrial
options in the rural areas No one wishes to see all of rural Alberta dotted
with industrial parks, however some uses should be allowed subject to
certain conditions, such as not taking land out of production. Urban and Rural
municipalities can enter into any kind of a tax sharing agreement One case
I am aware of is M D of Willow Creek and the Town of Claresholm
Carbon - Agree with comments by Mr Isbister but perhaps we should be talking about
existing plants such as the C W N Gas Plant near Carbon What about cost sharing
on these plants
Mr Berdahl noted that Palliser would likely welcome the M D of Kneehill to their
planning commission area Should this matter be explored further
Three Hills - we have received good service from C R P C , and this is one reason
why the move to Palliser was not further considered when the Palliser commission
was first set up
• Linden - C R P C gives good service, but they do not have a working knowledge of
our area
In answer to a question Mr Isbister indicated that the planning act does allow
an M D and the urban centers located therein to form their own subdivision approving
authority and this work could be handled by the local area
Mr Bodner asked if M D boundaries could be split to allow one area of a
municipality to be a part of one commission area and another portion be a part of
another area and Mr Isbister indicated this also could be done
NIr Wright from Three Hills indicated that likely about 800 of the work at C R P C
is for the M D of Rockyview
Mr Isbister indicated he felt the Minister's guidelines for industrial uses in
the rural areas were good and if applied with some common sense would not create
problems for the urban centers
Mr Isbister indicated that the M D of Flagstaff and the urban centers got together
and tried to establish long range boundaries for urban centers, and also arrived
at some cost sharing arrangements because of some possible pipeline development in their
� areas This is good planning
Town of Three Hills - Discussion should be done now before any tentative development
comes up as delays are costly and would likely result in the loss of the development
It would likely be useful to sit down with the M D and look at long range boundaries
and try to establish some kind of limits for same and to try and determine what
uses should go within this area
M D of Knehill - should we pursue further the possible move to Palliser Regional Planning
area? It was generally agreed that this should be discussed by each council and
the matter pursued
Carbon - Walter Perman - When would be an approriate time to discuss tax sharing
on existing gas plants in the M D within say a 4 mile radius of the Village of Carbon?
Mr Isbister noted the possibility of tax sharing would have to be reviewed under the
Municipal Taxation Act
There was discussion about whether the Regional Plan can be overridden by the Prov
Planning Board, and Mr Isbister indicated that the Board does make some decisions
on compassionate grounds
Three Hills - Mr Jenkins requested that the Board give some thought to procedures
which are very frustrating and Mr Isbister agreed that they are frustrating
He noted a good land use by -law can be helpful in eliminating delays, and perhaps
councils should use a direct land use control for those areas not yet fully
opened up
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Mr Wright expressed thanks to the M D for hosting the meeting and Mr
Berdahl thanked Mr Isbister for coming to the meeting e meeting then adjourned
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